I've got to say that is highly unusual. I did have a CO who used to say some crazy things complaining about the org, making fun of previous leaders and giving me his take on various doctrines and prophesy. However, as odd as he was, he'd never say that stuff from the platform. The only time he would mention any of his non-borg approved comments were when it was just us. Even if I turned him in, his credibility would trump mine so I guess he felt like he could say whatever he wanted to.
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Apostate CO?
by Marmite inwhat would you think if a co said the following things from the platform?
during a talk entitled the spirit and the bride keep on saying "come" he goes off at a tangent talking about how from 1920 to 1925 we said "millions now living will never die".
he went into great detail about how at first the title was "may" but was changed to"will".
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10 Years Japan losses 5,400 Publishers and 638 Kingdom Halls! Why?
by Witness 007 injapan had a handful of witnesses after ww 2....this number skyrocketed to 222,912 by 1998!
then something happened.
publisher figures didn't stop, they dropped by thousands over the next decade!.
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Possible-san,
We really appreciate your contribution to the board. I have a few questions for you:
1 - Do the Japanese JWs practice shunning the same way that it's done in the West?
2 - Are there large family groups of JWs or are there mainly just first generation converts?
3 - How many children stay in? Here in the US, about 1/2 to 2/3rds actually leave.
I see your point regarding converts looking to the internet for information prior to moving forward with studies. I think to a large degree, that's what we're seeing here in the US, especially among the English speaking population (although I'm sure its starting to be true with the Spanish speaking population as well).
The problems facing the WTS across the globe are 1) horrible retention rate (which frankly they've always had) coupled with 2) a slowdown in new converts (which is a fairly new development). You can ignore the current JWs if your conversion rate is fast enough to make up for those leaving or being tossed out. However, now that converts have slowed down in the developed countries where the bulk of the revenues are coming from, those going out the backdoor are starting to show in the numbers.
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Excuse me, but this is sickening (DA Contributions)
by winstonchurchill ina letter from the wts was just read to our congregation: during upcoming district assemblies, there will be credit card terminal available so people can donate using their credit/debit cards.. maybe it's old news, but i just found out last monday, and i find it terribly disturbing.
the wts/jw's is becoming more and more mainstream, not different at all form those churches that are only after your money... oh, wait!
maybe tey are only after our money.. .
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The ironic thing for me is that I've heard several times speakers talking about how "Christendom is so greedy that they have even installed ATMs in their churchs". Now, they're doing the same thing on the DC level. I had no idea this was already happening in Europe. They must have used the European market as a test market before rolling it out in the US.
Honestly, how long before they institute tithing?? You know somewhere that idea has been floated about.
It's all about the Benjamins!
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Is it true that a Gilead missionary murdered two other missionaries?
by BonaFide inwhen i was a missionary, i lived in several missionary homes (graduates of mts sometimes lived there with gilead grads).. so of course at first we were all formal and nice.
in time, we kind of got on each others' nerves.. and at first we all told these great experiences from mts and gilead.. after a few months, those stories lost their luster, and we all started to tell the inside scoop about our congregations, bethel, etc.. so one of the gilead missionary couples told me that while they were in gilead, brother jack redford told them confidentially that there had been a murder in a missionary home a few years ago.
i seem to remember it was in the south pacific.
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Thanks for the confirmation Barb.
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No More Work on Saturdays at Bethels Worldwide
by Lost-In-Translation ina letter was read at tonight's meeting announcing that the governing body has decided to stop work on saturdays at all bethels worldwide.
bethel workers are encouraged to now spend saturdays with their local congregation in field service.
the new arrangement goes into effect june, 2009.. what do you think are the motives for such a change?.
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I think they've significantly reduced the amount of literature being produced just with all the changes that have been made in the last few years - 1 awake per month instead of 2, 1 big run of WTs and 1 much smaller members only WT, less reprints of books for the book study since the books are covered much slowly now due to the change in the meetings.
There's really no reason to make those volunteers work the extra 4 hours. I wonder if they aren't going to eliminate one of the magazines. I think the next to go would be the public WT. They could just produce Awake at 1 issue to offer to the public and have the WT as a members only rag.
Next up will be tract campaigns increasing that will take the place of any book campaigns. I honestly don't pay attention to the offers of the month any longer but next time I pick up a KM, I'll take note of what those offers are. It used to almost always be a book, but that could easily change.
It's all about saving money and utilizing assets most efficiently. I agree with loosie that more layoffs must be in the works.
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Elder says that there're apostates who are organized in Spain
by cattails inan elder said that there are apostates organized in spain to make the sale of the spanish branch money go to the congregations that provided the funds.
he has photos of the place from an email and had heard this from a circuit overseer who just visited there.
has anyone heard confirmation of this?.
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I'm honestly surprised they still worked 1/2 day on Sat. Just look at the reduction in the number of WTs & Awakes they've done in the last couple of years. They went from 2 full WT runs of 20m or so world wide (40m total) to 1 full WT run (20m) + 1 members only run (7m) = 27m or a 33% reduction. Awake production was cut by 50% (2 issues monthly to one).
Also, the change in the CBS makes it so they don't need to print as many books since its taking a whole lot long to muddle through those puppies. More savings!
I would love to compare how literature placements are doing vs 10 years ago. My bet is that they have been pretty flat.
Awaretoday - have you heard how many bethelites are being laid-off. I think we knew there were phases that started a few years ago. I thought they were pretty close to where they wanted to be now. Also, welcome to the board!!
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I need to get my family to read this site!
by wtfmidoing ini need to get ideas on how to get my family members to "stumble" on to this site.
i would get tremendous resistance for just recommending it honestly.
there are so many logical wake up stories here.
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Love your name and welcome. Man, if I had a nickle for everytime over the last 3 years I've asked myself that question, I'd be rich!
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A LOOK INSIDE BETHEL LIFE, THE ORGANIZATION BEHIND THE NAME
by Bethelite Elder inwhen i first came to bethel, the going reassurance was that if you stayed more than 5 years, you would be considered permanent.
many of the bethelites bought into the idea and stayed many years.
however, a few years back they had a test of faith.
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BE - looking forward to your contributions on the board. Welcome.
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Letter from Spanish Branch regarding Governing Body's decision
by Lost-In-Translation inthe spanish branch office sent a letter to all congregations in spain explaining the governing body's decision to stop all printing, storing and shipping of literature in spain.
the spanish government recently ruled that all bethalites are entitled to a pension after having worked at bethel for many years.
the ruling of the government sent the governing body scrambling.
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Wow - thanks for posting the decree and the translation. Certainly no "persecution" since they're including all religious orders. It really makes sense that they participate in the Social Security type program with the only exception maybe if they agreeded to care for all their needs for the rest of the worker's life.
The more I learn about the WTS dealings, the clearer it becomes to me that they could care less about any individual JW. They don't even care about the folks that have spent their lives working for free at the various Bethels around the world. When I was a believer, I always assumed that the uncaring attitudes that I encountered among DO/CO types were just their individual issues. I now realize that while some individuals in middle management (DO/CO/mid-level Bethelites) probably do care about individuals, the majority really don't. But, when you look at the corporate culture among both low level management (local BOEs) all the way to the board (GB), you'll see that the work ALWAYS takes precedence over the individual.
Could you imagine Jesus ordering a branch shut down because they need to pay into social security? Didn't he say something about paying Ceasar's things to Ceasar? Oh, I forgot, the WTS doesn't really concern itself with a book they say is a personal letter from God. It's all about the dollar bills y'all!
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Letter from Spanish Branch regarding Governing Body's decision
by Lost-In-Translation inthe spanish branch office sent a letter to all congregations in spain explaining the governing body's decision to stop all printing, storing and shipping of literature in spain.
the spanish government recently ruled that all bethalites are entitled to a pension after having worked at bethel for many years.
the ruling of the government sent the governing body scrambling.
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Dozy - you make a great point. It's only been in the last decade that an African American has been put on the GB despite the fact that according to Pew, AAs make up 22% of the JW population in the US. I think that they will need to put a person of Hispanic decent on the GB soon since they make up 24% of the JW population in the US (according to Pew), not to mention large numbers in other countries.